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tommygurl86
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Posted: Sun Feb 11th, 2007 01:31 am |
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I was born to be a catholic, I used to do what they do but when i grew up and I have had visited diffirent religion, ( every religion have diffirent versions). I started to ask why Do I have to bow down my head to Saints or mary whatever eventhough they are not Jesus Christ... since in first commandments it clearly stated that I am the Lord thy God ,
who have brought thee out of the land of Egypt (Mizrahim), out of the house of bondage.
Thou shalt not have any other gods besides me
Thou shalt not make for thyself any graven image
(carved idol) or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; thou shalt not bow down to them or serve them; for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, punishing the iniquities of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those that hate me; but showing mercy to thousands of generations of those that love me, and keep my commandments.
So I stopped it and now focusing my prayer to God jesus Christ....Are you really a Christian???? Christian caME from the word CHRIST....
How about you? what do you believe?
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Patric THEPHILS.COM
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Posted: Sun Feb 11th, 2007 02:08 am |
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Well, i do believe in God (feel closer to the catholic faith then any other). When i was a kid (5-6 years old) i prayed before going to bed.
I asked a priest, a protestant priest (the protestant church is the dominating one in Sweden).... if my dog would go to heaven when she died.....the priest said "No". That was it, after that i stopped praying. What kind of God would´nt let my dog into heaven?!? I did´nt need any part of either church nor God as far as i was concerned.
However, when i got older i decided to belive in God in my own way without any retard priest telling me whatever bullshit interpratation he/his church had of the bible.
I have asked several different priests from different christian faiths the same question (about the dog & heaven)...some say yes & some say no.
I know this; if anyone has a given place in heaven it´s children & animals .
Cheers!
Last edited on Sun Feb 11th, 2007 02:09 am by Patric THEPHILS.COM
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tommygurl86
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Posted: Sun Feb 11th, 2007 02:59 am |
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| Yes I agree with you, there was a story about a that, I forgot but ill try find it maybe in my email, its nice story.
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Carabao Kevin
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Posted: Sun Feb 11th, 2007 05:40 am |
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SUS! I don't have enough time to answer this fully. But I will do the best I can.
I think MOST Churches have fallen completely away from the teachings of Christ. I also believe that the Catholic Church needs to CONFESS it's problems & Error teachings to the world.
Dogs & pets in heaven...I'd like to think so, but who knows, and if no pets are there,we won't know it.
I am a Protestant, but I protest nothing. I feel we all have to answer to God, The Bible is written for those that believe and have received Christ. That is the bottom line. Trying to make non-Christians live by the "LAWS" of the Christians is foolish and not Godly at all. But the Catholic Church and MANY Protestant Churches do just that, they try to FORCE their religion unto others.
I don't believe in the construction of the Church Buildings. Jesus and the early Christians met in public places, they used their money to help the TRULY poor, orphans, widows. They didn't dump Millions and BILLIONS of $$$$ into a collection plate to build fancy Church Buildings or to Pay High Salaries to a Priest, Minister or Preacher.
In my opinion, "CHRISTIANS" NEED TO wake UP AND SEE THE light! Stop being so selfish.
the song.....ASLEEP in the LIGHT....by Keith Green
Here is a link to one of my favorite artist and songs. This songs sums it all up in my opinion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcVXF-sFeOo
-Mabuhay-
-Kevin
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tommygurl86
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Posted: Sun Feb 11th, 2007 05:50 am |
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RELIGION is the biggest business in the world'''''''''''''''thats why so many religion existed, they have there own version, some they hide what is on the bible, some they change what is written in the bible... honestly, I dont think Im a truly catholic, cause i dont kiss statues, I dont ask forgiveness to the priest " sorry father if i have sinned" no way for me to do that. Catholic also, during the mass, the priest are just memorizing the line for the mass for today, they dont even discuss to people about revelation...sorry if you disagree with me but, i just want to clear, i do respect our own beliefs,,,, catholic or not, christian or not....
about the dog in heaven hehehe Im not sure about that, but i just hope they have dogs in heaven cause i love pets. hehe
Last edited on Sun Feb 11th, 2007 05:51 am by tommygurl86
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tommygurl86
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Posted: Sun Feb 11th, 2007 05:53 am |
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SUS! I don't have enough time to answer this fully. But I will do the best I can.
I think MOST Churches have fallen completely away from the teachings of Christ. I also believe that the Catholic Church needs to CONFESS it's problems & Error teachings to the world.
Dogs & pets in heaven...I'd like to think so, but who knows, and if no pets are there,we won't know it.
I am a Protestant, but I protest nothing. I feel we all have to answer to God, The Bible is written for those that believe and have received Christ. That is the bottom line. Trying to make non-Christians live by the "LAWS" of the Christians is foolish and not Godly at all. But the Catholic Church and MANY Protestant Churches do just that, they try to FORCE their religion unto others.
I don't believe in the construction of the Church Buildings. Jesus and the early Christians met in public places, they used their money to help the TRULY poor, orphans, widows. They didn't dump Millions and BILLIONS of $$$$ into a collection plate to build fancy Church Buildings or to Pay High Salaries to a Priest, Minister or Preacher.
In my opinion, "CHRISTIANS" NEED TO wake UP AND SEE THE light! Stop being so selfish.
the song.....ASLEEP in the LIGHT....by Keith Green
Here is a link to one of my favorite artist and songs. This songs sums it all up in my opinion:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mcVXF-sFeOo
-Mabuhay-
-Kevin
Well said, I agree with u 101%
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Sirena
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Posted: Sun Feb 11th, 2007 02:24 pm |
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| I'm not religious myself, but it would seem to make sense that if there is an afterlife, all living things would play a part in it. If you listen to the teachings of certain religious leaders they would tell you that any person who has not been baptised won't be allowed into heaven. What loving god would deny a good and decent person access to heaven simply because they were not a catholic or were not baptised? Not a god I would want to worship! Isn't he supposed to love all his children?
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tommygurl86
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Posted: Sun Feb 11th, 2007 04:09 pm |
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What makes you go to heaven, is when you have faith in God and your actions. Even are those who sinned, if they have a last minute before they die and they ask forgiveness and completely surrender themselves to God, I believe God will forgive them, God knows our heart, hes the only one who can judge every person wholl be saved or not, not because she or he is always in church or whatever.Do you remember when Christ was crucified in the cross? and there was this sinnedful person beside him( who was crucified also because of his sins) and he said You are trully God and I believe you and God said Ill take you to heaven with me. One thing I dont like going to church is when people seems so nice to you, shake your hands, smile but when you meet them outside the church they wont even say hello. what was that?
Me, I admit its been a while seen I havent go to church, its not the church who can save you, build a church in your heart and wherever you go God is always there...
Prayer is the bst remedy.
Last edited on Sun Feb 11th, 2007 04:13 pm by tommygurl86
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Carabao Kevin
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Posted: Sun Feb 11th, 2007 04:36 pm |
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Sirena wrote: I'm not religious myself, but it would seem to make sense that if there is an afterlife, all living things would play a part in it. If you listen to the teachings of certain religious leaders they would tell you that any person who has not been baptised won't be allowed into heaven. What loving god would deny a good and decent person access to heaven simply because they were not a catholic or were not baptised? Not a god I would want to worship! Isn't he supposed to love all his children?
Lumping all religious thoughts together is like lumping all non-religious thinking together.
"Good and Decent" is all an opinion...REALLY! Some people think of Hitler, Charlie Manson, François 'Papa Doc' Duvalier, or even Marcos, George W. Bush and Bill Clinton are(were) "Good & Decent". Who is correct in what is good & Decent? Most of us on this board will probably agree on the terms, but are we the most righteous?
Being Catholic or being Baptised will get you nowhere closer to Heaven than eating Balut every Friday night with a cold SanMig. It's the wrong teachings that most people dislike about Christianity. If people really read the Bible, there is nothing in it that offends MOST people, it's the lunitics giving the sermons (not all sermons are given by lunitics) every Sunday that turn most people away.
It's so easy, yet so complicated. Christians are suppose to put God first in their life...make him their life, love everyone, and NOT go around beating people over the head with their Bibles (which may not have even been read). No where did Jesus run for a political office, make anyone do anything, or carry picket signs. He put His Father in Heven first, help those in need, and ate with the "wicked". that's MUCH different that what I see going on today with most people claiming to be a CHRISTIAN.
I know I'm not perfect, just my 3 cents worth.
-Mabuhay-
-Kevin
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tommygurl86
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Posted: Sun Feb 11th, 2007 05:40 pm |
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I agree again this time 102%
not because your friend hehehe...
well said kevin..you are right again.
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Sirena
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Posted: Mon Feb 12th, 2007 12:18 pm |
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Patric THEPHILS.COM wrote:
However, when i got older i decided to belive in God in my own way without any retard priest telling me whatever bullshit interpratation he/his church had of the bible.
I can relate to Patric's comment about believing in god in your own way - you don't need to be a member of an organised religion to find your own spiritual path. And not being a christian doesn't make you any less of a person.
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Sirena
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Posted: Mon Feb 12th, 2007 12:21 pm |
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tommygurl86 wrote: Do you remember when Christ was crucified in the cross? No, I'm afraid I wasn't there! . One thing I dont like going to church is when people seems so nice to you, shake your hands, smile but when you meet them outside the church they wont even say hello. what was that?
Me, I admit its been a while seen I havent go to church, its not the church who can save you, build a church in your heart and wherever you go God is always there...
Yes, I knw what you mean - some of my neighbours are always in the church praying and singing and ringing the bell but in their daily lives they are selfish and greedy people. They believe that simply by going to church their duty is done!
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Carabao Kevin
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Posted: Mon Feb 12th, 2007 02:50 pm |
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Sirena wrote: Patric THEPHILS.COM wrote:
However, when i got older i decided to belive in God in my own way without any retard priest telling me whatever bullshit interpratation he/his church had of the bible.
I can relate to Patric's comment about believing in god in your own way - you don't need to be a member of an organised religion to find your own spiritual path. And not being a christian doesn't make you any less of a person.
"you don't need to be a member of an organised religion to find your own spiritual path. And not being a christian doesn't make you any less of a person." - I agree with this statement 100%........but.....
The rest of the concept, I kinda follow what you are saying. Look at it like this:
If you go to a store to buy some food, when you get home you find out that the store you went to had prices 20% higher than all other stores, and then you count your change and realize that you have been cheated out of your change!  Now you feel like you have been "hi-jacked" twice at the same spot.......To make sure this NEVER happens again, Do you NEVER buy food to eat again? Or do you shop eleswhere and be VERY careful?
Not to be judgemental, but it sounds that some are relying on other people and Church to get them to Heaven....that's what the Catholic church (and many others) want you to believe.......but it's all about Jesus.Then when they know something is wrong with what is being said or taught, they quit eating altogether. I've been down that road, long hard story, but I realized the problem is religion, not GOD. Kinda the same junk going on in some ISLAM circles right now. All religions have it, people using religion to control & conquer. Remember, the problem is the "retard" neighbors, not GOD.
That's my 4 cents worth....it just might be worth more than that!
-Mabuhay-
-Kevin
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DonJ
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Posted: Tue Mar 13th, 2007 04:54 am |
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I'm Catholic folkI was born to be a catholic, I used to do what they do but when i grew up and I have had visited diffirent religion, ( every religion have diffirent versions). I started to ask why Do I have to bow down my head to Saints or mary whatever eventhough they are not Jesus Christ... since in first commandments it clearly stated that I am the Lord thy God ,
who have brought thee out of the land of Egypt (Mizrahim), out of the house of bondage.
Thou shalt not have any other gods besides me
Thou shalt not make for thyself any graven image
(carved idol) or any likeness of any thing that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; thou shalt not bow down to them or serve them; for I the Lord thy God am a jealous God, punishing the iniquities of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those that hate me; but showing mercy to thousands of generations of those that love me, and keep my commandments.
So I stopped it and now focusing my prayer to God jesus Christ....Are you really a Christian???? Christian caME from the word CHRIST....
How about you? what do you believe?
Here's some things you might find interesting that I got off of catholic.com:
IN Exodus 20:3-6 God forbids making graven images for the purpose of idolatry but does not forbid the making of graven images per se. Elsewhere he commands that statues and other graven images be carved for religious purposes. The Catholic Church permits statues because they remind us of unseen things, but it condemns the idolatry of statue worship.
"[The Lord said] make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end. . ." (Ex. 25:18-19).
"You shall make the tabernacle with . . . cherubim skillfully worked" (Ex. 26:1).
"The Lord said to Moses, `Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and every one who is bitten, when he sees it, shall live.' So Moses made a bronze serpent and set it on a pole" (Num. 21:8-9).
"He made two cherubim of olivewood, each ten cubits high. . . . He put the cherubim in the innermost part of the Temple . . . And he overlaid the cherubim with gold. He carved all the walls of the Temple round about with carved figures of cherubim and palm trees and open flowers" (1 Kgs. 6:23, 27-29).
"[The brazen sea] stood upon [statues of] twelve oxen, three facing north, three facing west, three facing south, and three facing east" (1 Kgs. 7:25).
"And on the surfaces of its stays and on its panels, he carved cherubim, lions, and palm trees, according to the space of each, with wreaths round about" (1 Kgs. 7:36).
I am a catholic and the only reason we go to a priest to confess our sins is because Christ gave the apostles the ability to forgive sins. The priest is not who forgives us but Christ. We go to the priest beacuse that is what christ intended. Also we learn a lesson in humility. It's also quite comforting to have a direct assurance of Christ's forgiveness.
Mary is not worshipped by any true christian Catholic or protestant. Both John Calvin and Martin Luther affirmed the perpetual virginity of Mary yet people today reject the idea. Why? People are declared Saints for one main purpose to demonstrate to people what kind of life you should be leading. They are not to be worshipped. Do protestants worship their minister when they ask them to pray for them? Then why do prostestants claim we worship saints when we ask ask them to pray for us?
I agree with you folks about the lack of true repentance and recognition of our sins. I too hate when I go to mass and people who would not talk to me otherwise greet me saying peace to you without truly meaning it. But we must struggle against it and remember that Christ won't separate the chaff from the wheat before the end of time. We must work to try and change their hearts rather than leaving the church. The only time that we will have a perfect church is in heaven. Here on earth we must bear our crosses as Christ did.
Just my two cents worth....
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Sirena
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Posted: Sun Mar 18th, 2007 09:39 am |
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| Anyone know where the word Christ comes from?
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Carabao Kevin
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Posted: Sun Mar 18th, 2007 01:09 pm |
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Sirena wrote: Anyone know where the word Christ comes from?
Hi Sirena,
Well, now this is a hard one, because it depends on what you are actually asking.......but I'll give it a try.
By the way, I don't know how to type in Hebrew or Greek.
The word Christ comes from the Greek language:
Christ - translates from CHRISTOS....meaning Anointed.
Christos - comes from CHRIO.....meaning to rub or smear with oil....as in -to consecrate to an office or religious service
This doesn't mean that the word CHRIST means to smear with oil.
I ran it through Wikipedia, it seems to say it better than I do...imagine that
Wikipedia: Christ is the English translation of the Greek word Χριστός (Christós), which literally means The Anointed One. It translates the Hebrew word מָשִׁיחַ (Mašíaḥ), usually transliterated Messiah.
link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Christ
I hope this answers your questions.
-Mabuhay-
-Kevin
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Carabao Kevin
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Posted: Sun Mar 18th, 2007 01:38 pm |
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DonJ wrote:
Here's some things you might find interesting that I got off of catholic.com:
IN Exodus 20:3-6 God forbids making graven images for the purpose of idolatry but does not forbid the making of graven images per se. Elsewhere he commands that statues and other graven images be carved for religious purposes. The Catholic Church permits statues because they remind us of unseen things, but it condemns the idolatry of statue worship.
"[The Lord said] make two cherubim of gold; of hammered work shall you make them, on the two ends of the mercy seat. Make one cherub on the one end, and one cherub on the other end. . ." (Ex. 25:18-19).
"You shall make the tabernacle with . . . cherubim skillfully worked" (Ex. 26:1).
"The Lord said to Moses, `Make a fiery serpent, and set it on a pole; and every one who is bitten, when he sees it, shall live.' So Moses made a bronze serpent and set it on a pole" (Num. 21:8-9).
"He made two cherubim of olivewood, each ten cubits high. . . . He put the cherubim in the innermost part of the Temple . . . And he overlaid the cherubim with gold. He carved all the walls of the Temple round about with carved figures of cherubim and palm trees and open flowers" (1 Kgs. 6:23, 27-29).
"[The brazen sea] stood upon [statues of] twelve oxen, three facing north, three facing west, three facing south, and three facing east" (1 Kgs. 7:25).
"And on the surfaces of its stays and on its panels, he carved cherubim, lions, and palm trees, according to the space of each, with wreaths round about" (1 Kgs. 7:36).
I am a catholic and the only reason we go to a priest to confess our sins is because Christ gave the apostles the ability to forgive sins. The priest is not who forgives us but Christ. We go to the priest beacuse that is what christ intended. Also we learn a lesson in humility. It's also quite comforting to have a direct assurance of Christ's forgiveness.
Mary is not worshipped by any true christian Catholic or protestant. Both John Calvin and Martin Luther affirmed the perpetual virginity of Mary yet people today reject the idea. Why? People are declared Saints for one main purpose to demonstrate to people what kind of life you should be leading. They are not to be worshipped. Do protestants worship their minister when they ask them to pray for them? Then why do prostestants claim we worship saints when we ask ask them to pray for us?
I agree with you folks about the lack of true repentance and recognition of our sins. I too hate when I go to mass and people who would not talk to me otherwise greet me saying peace to you without truly meaning it. But we must struggle against it and remember that Christ won't separate the chaff from the wheat before the end of time. We must work to try and change their hearts rather than leaving the church. The only time that we will have a perfect church is in heaven. Here on earth we must bear our crosses as Christ did.
Just my two cents worth....
I'll try not to offend or step on toes here.
"Mary is not worshipped by any true christian Catholic or protestant. Both John Calvin and Martin Luther affirmed the perpetual virginity of Mary yet people today reject the idea. Why? People are declared Saints for one main purpose to demonstrate to people what kind of life you should be leading. They are not to be worshipped. Do protestants worship their minister when they ask them to pray for them? Then why do prostestants claim we worship saints when we ask ask them to pray for us? "
The bottom line is this - The Catholic Saints are DEAD, buried, it's over. Dead people can NOT pray for anyone, there is NO example of this practice anywhere in the Bible to my limited knowledge. Protestants ask people that are STILL ALIVE and breathing air to pray for them, there IS a huge difference in the two.
"I am a catholic and the only reason we go to a priest to confess our sins is because Christ gave the apostles the ability to forgive sins. The priest is not who forgives us but Christ. We go to the priest beacuse that is what christ intended. Also we learn a lesson in humility. It's also quite comforting to have a direct assurance of Christ's forgiveness."
Exactly..CHRIST gave the APOSTLES the ability, not some priest. Again, the Catholic Church teaches the elevation of it's Priests as if they have the "inside scoop" that no one else can have. "direct assurance of Christ's forgiveness"???? HUH? Are you saying you have no idea unless a priest tells you so?
Many Catholics think that Protestants look bad at Catholics, it's not that. It is the so very many made up Doctrines of the Catholic Church that we disagree with. Again, many Protestant Churches have added non-Biblical doctrine to their teaches now days.
-Mabuhay-
-Kevin
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Sirena
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Posted: Mon Mar 19th, 2007 11:01 am |
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"I am a catholic and the only reason we go to a priest to confess our sins is because Christ gave the apostles the ability to forgive sins. The priest is not who forgives us but Christ. We go to the priest beacuse that is what christ intended. Also we learn a lesson in humility. It's also quite comforting to have a direct assurance of Christ's forgiveness."
I thought it was god that forgave sins? And if that is the case, and god is all powerful and omnipotant, why must we go to a priest to have our sins forgiven? Wouldn't god already know about our repentance and automatically forgive us?
Sorry (and no offence), but I find the teachings of the catholic church so difficult to get to grips with!
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Posted: Tue Mar 20th, 2007 03:54 am |
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Sirena wrote:
"I am a catholic and the only reason we go to a priest to confess our sins is because Christ gave the apostles the ability to forgive sins. The priest is not who forgives us but Christ. We go to the priest beacuse that is what christ intended. Also we learn a lesson in humility. It's also quite comforting to have a direct assurance of Christ's forgiveness."
I thought it was god that forgave sins? And if that is the case, and god is all powerful and omnipotant, why must we go to a priest to have our sins forgiven? Wouldn't god already know about our repentance and automatically forgive us?
Sorry (and no offence), but I find the teachings of the catholic church so difficult to get to grips with!
Exactly..CHRIST gave the APOSTLES the ability, not some priest. Again, the Catholic Church teaches the elevation of it's Priests as if they have the "inside scoop" that no one else can have. "direct assurance of Christ's forgiveness"???? HUH? Are you saying you have no idea unless a priest tells you so?
You guys haven't offended me I think it's important for us to discuss matters of faith even if it brings us out of our comfort zone. We are also bound to give a defense of the hope that lies within us as well.  The reason we go to the priest is because that is what Christ started. Where in the Bible does it say that you should confess our sins directly to God? Christ died for our sins as everyone here agrees. If Christ wanted you to confess your sins to him without men then why would he give the ability to the apostles? If he wanted you to go directly to him why would he ask us to confess our sins to them? What biblical basis is there to support your argument that A. Confession died with the apostles. B. That you should confess your sins directly to God without a priest. Why did Christ allow the apostles to retain sins if they didn't know the people's sins? It's obvious they were hearing confessions but why would they be hearing confessions if the practice was to die with them? What would be the utility of them be around only for a single generation? Did the spreading of the faith die with the apostles too? If your case is correct then why did Christians confess their sins to priests for over 1500 years before there were problems? We all know that the church has done many corrupt things. Did Christ found multiple churches? What church is the correct one out of the 15,000 different mainline Protestant churches? How can I know what is the correct one. I will write more later but I have to go finish some work.
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Sirena
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Posted: Fri Mar 23rd, 2007 09:21 am |
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Where in the Bible does it say that you should confess our sins directly to God? Where does it say you shouldn't? If god is omnipotant and all knowing, wouldn't he know you were sorry without needing the intervention of a mere mortal? Christ died for our sins as everyone here agrees. I agreed no such thing! Don't make assumptions. I agree that Jesus existed, but I don't accept that he is Divine or the "son of god". Why did Christ allow the apostles to retain sins if they didn't know the people's sins? It's obvious they were hearing confessions but why would they be hearing confessions if the practice was to die with them? What would be the utility of them be around only for a single generation? Did the spreading of the faith die with the apostles too? If your case is correct then why did Christians confess their sins to priests for over 1500 years before there were problems? We all know that the church has done many corrupt things. Did Christ found multiple churches? What church is the correct one out of the 15,000 different mainline Protestant churches? How can I know what is the correct one. I will write more later but I have to go finish some work. Bearing in mind the amount of priests that have been caught indulging in all sorts of illegal and immoral practices, on what grounds should we automatically trust them?
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